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7:30 pm
August 18, 2012


Ariel

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Hi Friends,

 

It's raining! That might not be a big deal to you, but in my neck of the woods (north Texas) it's a miracle. August is usually a brutal month around here, but to make matters worse, we've been in the midst of a two-year drought. And yet…rain! Wonderful and refreshing and unexpected.

 

1. First, I think we need to do a bit of casting. When I read I always see the story in my mind, like a movie. And I see the characters as actors. And there is something about Deirdre that reminds me of Katherine Heigl. The goofiness and the insecurity and the independence (or desire for it, at least). So if I was casting WALLFLOWER IN BLOOM she would be my first pick. What about you guys? Claire, did you have anyone in mind when you wrote this?

 

2. Thinking back to the first part of this week's reading schedule, I wonder about the choice Deirdre made that landed her on DWTS. Do you think it was right for her to use Tag's social media following to get on the show? Would she have done so if she were sober? AND (this is the biggie) since Deirdre did all the work, all those years collecting the names and adding them to the lists, managing the lists, did they belong fully to Tag? Could she have been entitled to use them?

 

3. If someone told me that I had to dance in on national television I would go into fully body failure. To say that I am "rythmically challenged" would be a gross understatement.  (Remember that scene in True Lies where Jamie Lee Curtis tries to dance sexy for her husband and it starts out as a total train wreck? Yeah. That's me. Only I never get the hang of it in the end like she does.)  So would you consider a stint on DWTS fun? Would you even do it in the first place? Is there anything on God's green earth that could entice you to commit to something like that?

 

4. The theme of this novel is "recreation." It's something that happens constantly throughout our lives, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. And I'm curious to know when you've purposefully tried to recreate yourself? Career? Body? Pursuit of dreams? Relationships? What was the outcome? And is there a big change in your life that you'd like to undertake now? What's holding you back? 

 

I'm off to finish the book. Can't wait to read what you have to say!

 

Ariel

8:23 pm
August 18, 2012


Leigh Ann

Algonquin, IL

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posts 34

1. I think if I was casting Deirdre I would think of maybe Sandra Bullock of Jennifer Anniston. But, in my brain I kept seeing Owen Wilson as the one playing the part of Tag.

2. It was not right for her to use Tag's social media, and I don't think she would of done it sober, but I had total compassion for why she made the choices she did. I do believe she should of been entitled to use them, since it sounds to me like she basically created them and even Tag. It was a dysfunctional situation from the beginning, so very hard to pick out right or wrong!

3. Though I love to watch DWTS, I would never survive the first week of rehearsals on it, if ever given the chance. Dancing is just a spectator sport for me! For it to be fun for me I would have to be a guest judge or announcer! The only thing that would even possibly entice me to do it is if it was a fundraiser for someone I loved!

4.I never tried to re-create myself purposely, but due to the change in the economy I found myself unexpectedly in a completely different line of work. I struggled with it at first, and found myself wanting to define myself by who I used to be, but over time have come to love the new job and that role in my life and feel this is where I am to be right now.

12:09 pm
August 20, 2012


audra

Blue Grass, IA

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1. I love Katherine Heigl! . I do like the idea for Owen Wilson for the brother, but in my mind I was thinking of Gerard Butler. He kind of annoys me like Tag did. As for Dierdre I pictured myself – expecially after the hotel room scene. I can't think of an actress that is not a skinny minny to pull off that body image..

 2. It was not her social media account so it was not ok for her to use it. I don't think she would have done this sober – who would?? Even thought she was the one collecting all the information for Tag, it is still Tag's list.  I collect emails for work, I just can't use them for my own at home buisness, it would be dishonest.

3. I would love to think about doing DWTS, just not doing it. I am afraid of being in front of people. I love to dance though…even if it is behind closed doors and covered windows :)

4. I have tried to recreate myself. I was a loner most of my adult life. I have tried to become more of an extrovert and gain friendship of more people around me – talk about hard to do!!- It is sure hard to make friends as an adult!

4:37 pm
August 20, 2012


Victory

United States

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posts 4

1. Casting, I was thinking maybe a Kate Hudson and I like the Owen Wilson Character. Or Sara Ramirez (Greys Anatomy) or Jennifer Lopez and Ryan Reynolds as Tag. Problem is I forget their ages and hair color already…

2. I dont think she would have done this if she was sober. I think she stepped over the line however sometimes when you are stuck in a rut it takes a dramatic event to come out of the situation and begin something new. She was also dishonest with signing all the letters from Tag. As far as who owns the list depends on her contract.

3. I dont dance and I would totally be embarrassed, however I would do it just for the experience and all the great exercise you would get everyday. I also have 5 kids so the time away would be fun to have my own place and healthy food available. It would be fun for a while and I would hope it would get me back on track to being in shape. I used to be a personal trainer 12 years ago. I would love the strict regimine and the time to do something just for me again. Then I would go home and my family would be proud of me again.

4. I went to college and got a Marketing Degree. Then fell in love with exercise and nutrition. I changed careers during my first marriage and then before I turned 30 I recreated myself yet again and go remarried to a man with children. Then I became a stay at home step mom and then eventually had 2 of my own back to back. As the weight crept on…11 years later needless to say the PT career was no more. I became a teacher's aide since my youngest (9) is autistic. I love my job because I can be with the kids but it doesnt pay well. Starting next month I signed up for an American Sign Language course at the local community college, so that when Erick moves on to middle school I will have another career to add to the one I have or I can do interpreting full time. I still struggle with my weight. I can relate to the book, but the exercise of dancing 5 hours a day sounds like heaven to me. I also like the catering part of the DWTS.  I think as a mom its about finding the balance of putting yourself (health) first and then kids. But sometimes its easier to just help others. I think Deirdre may figure out her own identity. Have to read more!!!Embarassed

4:37 pm
August 20, 2012


Victory

United States

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1. Casting, I was thinking maybe a Kate Hudson and I like the Owen Wilson Character. Or Sara Ramirez (Greys Anatomy) or Jennifer Lopez and Ryan Reynolds as Tag. Problem is I forget their ages and hair color already…

2. I dont think she would have done this if she was sober. I think she stepped over the line however sometimes when you are stuck in a rut it takes a dramatic event to come out of the situation and begin something new. She was also dishonest with signing all the letters from Tag. As far as who owns the list depends on her contract.

3. I dont dance and I would totally be embarrassed, however I would do it just for the experience and all the great exercise you would get everyday. I also have 5 kids so the time away would be fun to have my own place and healthy food available. It would be fun for a while and I would hope it would get me back on track to being in shape. I used to be a personal trainer 12 years ago. I would love the strict regimine and the time to do something just for me again. Then I would go home and my family would be proud of me again.

4. I went to college and got a Marketing Degree. Then fell in love with exercise and nutrition. I changed careers during my first marriage and then before I turned 30 I recreated myself yet again and go remarried to a man with children. Then I became a stay at home step mom and then eventually had 2 of my own back to back. As the weight crept on…11 years later needless to say the PT career was no more. I became a teacher's aide since my youngest (9) is autistic. I love my job because I can be with the kids but it doesnt pay well. Starting next month I signed up for an American Sign Language course at the local community college, so that when Erick moves on to middle school I will have another career to add to the one I have or I can do interpreting full time. I still struggle with my weight. I can relate to the book, but the exercise of dancing 5 hours a day sounds like heaven to me. I also like the catering part of the DWTS.  I think as a mom its about finding the balance of putting yourself (health) first and then kids. But sometimes its easier to just help others. I think Deirdre may figure out her own identity. Have to read more!!!Embarassed

9:24 pm
August 20, 2012


Linda A.

Northwest, Wisconsin

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posts 171

1. As for casting, I would have no idea who to pick.  Some of the peoples names others have mentioned I recognize, others I don't.  I'll have to look them up. 

2. I don't think Deirdre would have done it if she was sober.  As for using Tag's social media it wasn't right but I can see why she did it. 

3. Would I consider a stint on DWTS fun? NO!  Would I even do it in the first place? NO!  Is there anything on God's green earth that would entice me to commit to something like that? NO!  Enough said!!

4. I don't know if it was recreating myself or not.  About 20 years ago I got into a destructive relationship with a friend.  She was a man basher.  She was married and her husband had an affair and though they supposedly worked thru it, she was always bringing it up and saying terrible things about him and the other women.  Then this became her attitude toward all men.  She also had a very weird and dysfunctional sense of humor.  It took quite awhile for me to realize that her attitude was influencing me.  And that it was not good.  My own marriage started to suffer because I was adopting her attitude.  I had to remove myself from the friendship, it wasn't easy and I know she was hurt but she was dragging me down with her.  My life since then has been so much better and I'm such a nicer person now, just ask my husband!

1:41 pm
August 21, 2012


teresasthoughtsfortoday

Evansville, Indiana

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posts 39

1. As for casting, I would use the actress on "Drop Dead Diva" (I can't remember her name) and Matthew McConaughey for Tag.  

2. I agree with several others that she shouldn't have used the social media. Sure, she created the list, but it was while in the employ of someone else. So, that is stealing.

3. Yes, I'd love to be on DWTS. My husband and I took ballroom dance lessons years ago and I LOVED it!! Not that I'd be all that good at it, but I'd love to try. Reading this book got me to wondering why they don't do a DWTS for "regular" people. It'd be great to watch the transformation and to live vicariously through someone else doing it. I really dont' get that with watching the stars. I'd also love the chance to get in better shape, lose weight, and eat right.

4.I think we all re-create ourselves throughout our lives, because we go through different seasons of life (especially as women). I started out as a career woman never imagining I'd be a stay-at-home mom. Once my son was born, I couldn't imagine leaving him in the care of someone else. So I became a stay-at-home mom. Ten years ago, I started homeschooling my son and daughter, something I NEVER thought I'd do, but LOVED it! Now, I'm finished homeschooling, age 50, and trying to figure out what God has next for me.

1:15 pm
August 22, 2012


Claire Cook

Member

posts 8

I enjoyed reading your comments so much!! And Ariel, once again, such great questions, and I'm glad you got some rain in Texas!

 

1. As for casting, I see the characters SO clearly as I'm writing them that it's hard for me to imagine Deirdre as anyone but Deirdre, Tag as Tag, etc., so I'm probably the last person to answer this one. BUT I have to tell you that I've recently signed copies of an earlier book for two of the actresses mentioned above who are actually considering one of my novels for a movie. I've had several movies since Must Love Dogs almost happen and then fall apart, so I don't want to jinx it by telling you who and it's also supposed to be confidential at this point, but I have to say, as far as casting goes, you are GOOD!!

2. As for Deirdre's choice, my guess is that Tag's vodka was a big contributing factor. And I also wonder whether she would have ever done something like that to anyone except a sibling. As a teenager, you might "borrow" you sister's clothes without asking, but would you ever do it to a friend? Do our brothers and sisters get the best and the worst of us? These are things I wanted to explore, though as an author I believe in leaving enough room for my readers to draw their own conclusions, rather than telling them what I think they should think, if that makes sense.

 

3. I would be just crazy enough to give it a try, not just for me but for non-celebrity midlife women everywhere! I'd just try to have fun and pray that I wasn't the first dancer voted off! I used to teach dance aerobics waaaaaay back in the early '80s, so maybe that, and a lot of Advil, would get me through the first week.

4. Each of my 9 novels (and even my 10th, Time Flies, which will be published next June) deal with a woman reinventing herself in some way. I think it's the story of all of our lives, and it certainly has been the story of mine. Being a novelist is absolutely the career I almost didn't have.

Leigh Ann: My novel The Wildwater Walking Club is about who lost her job because of the economy and has to figure out what she has to do next. I'm so glad you've come to enjoy your new job.

Victory: I agree that the enforced exercise of DWTS would be great! The
toughest thing about being a novelist is that you have to spend so much
time sitting. What an interesting life you've had and I'd love to hear
what your next chapter turns out to be.

Linda: I think that's definitely a kind of reinvention. Rising above the negativity and surrounding yourself with people who will help you grow in positive directions are two of the biggest challenges. Good for you!

Audra: I agree that it's hard to make new friends as an adult, and that's so great that you're trying. What works for me is making the first effort, doing the first nice thing.

Theresa: I so agree that we keep reinventing ourselves! As for your next chapter, if you haven't been there yet, you might want to check out the Reinvention page at ClaireCook.com – it might trigger something for you!

Again, thank you so much for posting, everybody!

7:20 pm
August 23, 2012


Cindylouray

Member

posts 12

Ariel said:

Hi Friends,

 

It's raining! That might not be a big deal to you, but in my neck of the woods (north Texas) it's a miracle. August is usually a brutal month around here, but to make matters worse, we've been in the midst of a two-year drought. And yet…rain! Wonderful and refreshing and unexpected.

 

1. First, I think we need to do a bit of casting. When I read I always see the story in my mind, like a movie. And I see the characters as actors. And there is something about Deirdre that reminds me of Katherine Heigl. The goofiness and the insecurity and the independence (or desire for it, at least). So if I was casting WALLFLOWER IN BLOOM she would be my first pick. What about you guys? Claire, did you have anyone in mind when you wrote this?

 

2. Thinking back to the first part of this week's reading schedule, I wonder about the choice Deirdre made that landed her on DWTS. Do you think it was right for her to use Tag's social media following to get on the show? Would she have done so if she were sober? AND (this is the biggie) since Deirdre did all the work, all those years collecting the names and adding them to the lists, managing the lists, did they belong fully to Tag? Could she have been entitled to use them?

 

3. If someone told me that I had to dance in on national television I would go into fully body failure. To say that I am "rythmically challenged" would be a gross understatement.  (Remember that scene in True Lies where Jamie Lee Curtis tries to dance sexy for her husband and it starts out as a total train wreck? Yeah. That's me. Only I never get the hang of it in the end like she does.)  So would you consider a stint on DWTS fun? Would you even do it in the first place? Is there anything on God's green earth that could entice you to commit to something like that?

 

4. The theme of this novel is "recreation." It's something that happens constantly throughout our lives, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. And I'm curious to know when you've purposefully tried to recreate yourself? Career? Body? Pursuit of dreams? Relationships? What was the outcome? And is there a big change in your life that you'd like to undertake now? What's holding you back? 

 

I'm off to finish the book. Can't wait to read what you have to say!

 

Ariel


5:25 am
August 25, 2012


Beni

OH

Member

posts 15

1.  I just can't help it – I can't see anyone but Jennifer Lopez (her hight, her hips, and I loved her in Maid in Manhattan), and Hugh Grant.  This is who I see as I read the book!

 

2.  I don't think she would have applied for DWTS if she hadn't been under the influence, but I think she did it under the influence because she was uninhibited in her life-long hidden dream to be a dancer, something she felt she could be good at and that she loved.  I don't think she had the right to use Tag's social media without his consent, and because she had quit and ran off.  She had quit her job with Tag and wanted a life of her own but she couldn't really wrap her mind around that kind of independence because Tag had become her resource for everything (including the credit card she continued to use!)

 

3.  When I was a little girl I wanted to be a dancer on Hullabaloo!  (that ages me, doesn it?!)  I'm closing in on 58 now and although I'm the right weight for my height and I have no arthritic pain, the best professional in the world could not turn my Hullabaloo dream into a reality at this point!  Oh my goodness, I'm laughing out loud!  

4. The biggest recreation I've ever gone through was at age 21 when I was nearly an alcoholic and hooked on cigarettes, and I almost lost my job because I had crying spells from being so depressed.  I'll spare the long story, but I gave my mess of a life to Jesus Christ.  I figured I wasn't doing a good job of handling it, and He seemed to love me even as a big mess.  When I prayed I said "But I can't do religion though," and I swear I heard in my heart that He said "Good; I can't either."  Whoa – that's when I learned that the gospel is all about relationship and family, not religion and fear.

2:15 pm
August 25, 2012


Ariel

Admin

posts 42

Leigh Ann: Owen Wilson as Tag is BRILLIANT! He's got the right amouth of cute and loveable but not-to gorgeous feel about him. Especially since Tag has that charming yet irritating way vibe. I will see Tag as Owen Wilson forever!

In a purely black-and-white way I agree with everyone above that it was wrong for Deirdre to use Tag's online following. The people signing up for those lists did so wanting to hear from Tag and no one else. BUT the fact is they never did! It was Deirdre all along. Tag doesn't (look at me speaking about him like a real person!) even know the password to his Twitter account. 

Audra: Gerard Butler is one of my absolute favorite actors! But he's too gorgeous, and Scottish, and drool-worthy to be Tag in my book. I think I'd be so distracted I wouldn't pay attention to Deirdre at all, which would be sad, since it's her story. Ahem. Wink

While reading through everyone's comments I've been trying to nail down a specific time in my life that I reinvented myself. And oddly enough I couldn't. My life seems to be divided into two very clean timeframes: then and now. Then being age 20 or so and younger. And now being 20 to now. Something happened to me as a young adult, some immense infusion of confidence and joy and "rightness" and I have been comfortable in my own skin ever since. I credit much of that to my husband (we married when I was 22). He is such a good man and has loved me so well that it's helped me find myself. Odd, I know, but I can't think of any other way to describe it.

Victory: Ryan Reynolds could be a contender! But there's a part of him–that boy next door vibe–that makes me wonder if he could pull of the snake oil salesman thing that Tag does. Good choice, though!

I can totally relate to what you said about the need to take care of yourself as a mom. I had four babies in five years (all boys–proof that God does indeed have a sense of humor!) and I have recently realized that I need to care for myself to the same degree that I care for them. I turned 34 in July and took a good, hard look at myself in them mirror. My reflection wasn't too bad. I'm not overweight but I am sadly out of shape. So I decided that the present I will give myself on my 35th birthday is a healthy, toned body. That means that I've committed to an hour of excercise at least five days a week between now and then. I eat pretty healthy but I'm going to be a bit more conscious about my diet since my body doesn't respond the way it used to. All of that to say, I suppose I am in the middle of a mini-reinvention. I will be better able to care for those around me if I'm caring for myself. Sort of how they tell you to put on your oxygen mask before helping those seated next to you. 

Linda A: I laughed SO hard reading your vehement answer to #3!! How about you and I watch DWTS together and thank our lucky stars that we aren't up there in front of a bazillion people? I truly can't think of anything more terrifying than a show like that. Public speaking? A breeze. I do it often enough. Singing and dancing, though? The very thought makes my butt pucker.

Also, your answer to #4 was thought provoking. Female friendships can be SO hard. And competitive. And snarky. But when you find a good one it's like finding sister! I'm lucky to have a handful of friends who I trust with my life (Marybeth Whalen, my She Reads co-founder is one of them). Good for you, though, in realizing that your friend was tearing you down. Sometimes courage means walking away.

Teresa: I love Matthew McConahey! Maybe it's the Texas thing. My husband is a Texan. But I think Matthew would be a good choice. It's so fun to see how different readers see these characters in their mind!

Also, you win the mirror-ball trophy in my opinion! You're a brave woman. Oddly enough, I think I would enjoy taking dance classes. Something smaller and intimate and not televised. 

Claire: I think I missed my calling as a casting agent! 

I loved how you mentioned that Deirdre "borrowed" Tag list in a way she might borrow clothes from a sister but would never do from a friend. There does seem to be a sense of communal property in families. Especially in Deirdre's family. They all live on the same compound. They all work for Tag. The lines do get blurred. But in the end that Vodka made the decision for her, I think.

CindyLouRay: I saw that you quoted text but didn't comment. Please come back. We like you.Laugh

Beni: Jennifer Lopez could really work as Deirdre! The Deirdre in my mind is deffinately dark haired and slightly exotic looking. Good pick. I'm still sticking with Katherine Heigl, though. Hollywood should listen to me on this one!

Also, based on your answer to #4 I think we'd get along famously!

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