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Week Two: The Meryl Streep Movie Club

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9:13 pm
September 16, 2012


Ariel

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Happy Sunday, Ladies! I'm sitting here with a blanket on my lapp and a cup of tea by my side and I'm wondering about time. Remember how when we were children each day stretched on into eternity? It seemed like it took an entire lifetime just to get to the next Christmas. But here I am, thirty-something-years later and a week passes in the blink of an eye. I'm not sure if it's age, or children, or time itself that puts the clock on fast forward, but still it's alarming sometimes.

 

And this seems to be true of the characters in THE MERYL STREEP MOVIE CLUB as well:

 

Isabel, married ten years, gets a note one day telling her that her husband is having an affair with Carolyn Chenowith. June, with a seven year old son who wants to know who his father is. Kat, in love with Oliver her entire life and she doesn't even know it. And Lolly, poor Lolly, with pancreatic cancer.

 

Time. It takes its toll on everyone.

 

1. So why, after a lifetime of knowing and loving Oliver, do you think Kat is so ambivalent about marrying him? Granted it's a novel, and he's written to be kind and romantic, and "perfect" but he does seem like just the sort of man women dream about. Is it because Kat has always lived in that town and always known him? Are we bored by the things we know? Or could it be that he's so familiar and comforting that it's scary? My guess: the first man Kat ever loved (her father) was ripped away from her and I think she doesn't know how to surrender her heart. What do you think?

 

2. As I read the scene where Isabel and Kat go with Lolly to the hospital I couldn't help but remember being in the same situation with my father. Terminal cancer. Oncologists. That hospital smell–I don't know how to describe it really–of suffering covered up by bleach. There is no feeling worse that watching someone you love fight a battle they can't win. My father died the day after Thanksgiving. I was twenty-five years old. And I wonder how I would feel if someone told me that my father had written journals the year he had died. What would I do if he'd talked about me in them–in honesty, about all of our ups and downs? Whould I be afraid to read them? Would I be embarassed about some of my failings as a daughter? What about you? Is there someone you have lost? How would you feel to read their thoughts about you? It's a bit of a sobering thought, isn't it?

 

3. I love how June always dreamed of a big, flashy life in New York City, working in the publishing industry. But her surprise pregnancy with Charlie changed all that. And I have to laugh a little at that (no offense, June). The running joke in our house is, "'Let's have a baby' instead of saying, 'Oh my gosh, we're having a baby!" We had four, giant, wonderful surprises. All boys. All charming. Every single one a life changer. And that's something Kat and Isable can't relate to. How do you think having a child (whether planned or not) changes the life of a woman in general and June in particular? Especially when that woman is known for being the "good girl?"

 

4. Kat has lived at the Inn all her life. So much of who she is and what she does is intertwined in the family business. Between her uncertainty in marrying Oliver and in starting her own business it's clear that Kat has NO idea who she is or what she wants. How do you think her childhood, and her adult life in the Inn have contributed to that? Do people who go out and explore the world and pile up experiences away from home have a greater sense of self? Or is that just an assumption? What do you think is at the root of her ambivalence?

 

5. Isabel is attracted to Griffin right away. One could say she was attraced to him too soon, days after learning of her husband's affair. I don't think this is uncommon, but I do think it's interesting, the way human beings look for a way dull the pain. And I have to admit that I was glad that Isabel pulled away when Griffin kissed her. It's too soon–especially after that kind of heartbreak. But I'm curious to know, at this point in the novel, what you think Isabel needs? I think she needs to grieve. Not just for an afternoon or an evening. But a good long time. To let herself go through all the healthy, normal stages of grief, unimpeded by another man. But that's just me. I don't think you can rip open a bond like marriage and then fix it with a crush.  What do you think? How should Isabel handle the reality of her crumbling marriage?

 

I can't wait to hear your thoughts! So much to discuss in this novel! And a last thought: I love how Mia March chose movies that paralleled the issues each character was facing. I think it adds a wonderful depth to the story.

 

Ariel

7:26 pm
September 18, 2012


travelingwitht

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Ariel- Great Questions. I'm going to have to think more about some of the questions, but the on about Kat and why she's ambivalent about Oliver- I think it has something to do with the "bad boy" factor. Oliver is so nice, so wonderful, so safe- and I think while Kat does love him- she needs an adventure- and maybe a "bad boy" to make her appreciate Oliver on a different level. Oliver represents safety and security- and that's great. I think once Kat spreads her wings a bit- Oliver will be just the right person. But, a person needs to sample the different types of life out there (imo).

6:55 am
September 19, 2012


Linda A.

Northwest, Wisconsin

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I love the questions Ariel.  I'll have to answer them slowly though.

1.  I like travelingwitht's answer about the "bad boy" factor.  I tend to think she wants something more than just "safe" and "dependable."  Now for me, I'd take the safe and dependable and he is quite the romantic too.  But I do think she should live a little or she might always regret that she just "settled."

2. I lost my mother five years ago to Alzheimer's.  Actually I lost her about 10 years before that because she did not remember me. She spent the last 7 years of her life in a nursing home. Can you imagine what it was like walking into that nursing home once or twice a week for seven years to a woman who didn't know you?  I guess the important part is that I remembered!  I would have loved for her to have left some journals.   Although I would not have liked to have read about my growing up years, fighting with my brother all the time. 

8:27 pm
September 20, 2012


teresasthoughtsfortoday

Evansville, Indiana

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1. I am wondering if Kat is afraid of change. So, by marrying Oliver it would change her life, living arrangement, and her relationship with him. He's been the secure part of her life and marriage would be unfamiliar for her. Oliver sure has a lot of patience. More than most men would have — and women for that matter.

2. I have letters that my grandfather wrote to my grandmother when they were "courting" and I LOVE them! He tells about his job hunting in Milwaukee and Madison. He gushes in them about his love for her and how much he misses her. They are so fun to read because my grandpa was a great storyteller but also because he didn't show that affection towards my grandma in front of us. We also have letters from my grandmother that she wrote to her mom when her children were young and they are boring. They just detail day-to-day life and my mom was so disappointed because there isn't any emotion in them. So, I have to go on the side of wanting to see journals and wanting to know someone's true feelings and heart.

3. Oh my, children change everything. Like you said, whether planned or not. I think maybe for unplanned in young women it makes them mature a lot earlier than they would have otherwise. June had to figure out how to provide for Charlie, where to live, how to take care of him on her own — that's a lot for a young woman to deal with. Plus, she had to give up her dreams. But, children bring on new dreams.

4. I answered some of this in question #1. And, yes, I do think going away from home/hometown and experiencing different places does add to life and cause you to focus on who you are instead of staying in the familiar.

5. She does need to heal. But I suspect that she also needs to know that she is attractive and that a man would be interested in her since her husband turned to another woman. So that might be why Griffin is interesting to her because he is reciprocating that interest.

9:44 pm
September 25, 2012


cammih

Siloam Springs, AR

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1. I think Kat is afraid of what she might be missing. She loves Oliver but she' s always known that love and she wants to explore other opportunities. And she knows Oliver truly loves her and wants her happiness, first and foremost.

2. I think journals are a wonderful thing but also very personal. i would have to give it quite a lot of time before i was ready to read them. Seems it would stir the grief and sadness up again.

3. I think every baby is planned by God and a definate gift. There are no accidents.. Timing might just be not our time. But there is an ultimate plan for every child. And some surprises are better than we could ever imagine!

4. I def think experiences in life happen all along the way and especially when we get away from home and make decisions on our own. We have to make mistakes and learn from them.

5. I think Griffin was a great distraction for Isabel and took her mind off the grieving. i dont blame her! I would rather replace the empty, desperate feelings too! Too much grieving is depressing! :-)

12:44 pm
September 30, 2012


Linda A.

Northwest, Wisconsin

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Let's see if I can play some catchup and answer the rest of these questions.  I think I left off on #3.

3. Children do change everything.  You are suddenly responsible not just for yourself but for someone who is totally dependent on you.  It changed June's life because it was unplanned and there was no father in the picture.  All decisions relied on her. 

4.  I'll answer this a little later.

5.  I agree with Ariel.  Isabel needs time to grieve and heal.  It's too soon to be in a relationship.  But never having been in a situation like this myself, who knows how I would handle it. 

9:08 pm
September 30, 2012


Linda A.

Northwest, Wisconsin

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4. Wow this one is difficult.  You see even though I left my childhood home, I did not leave my hometown.  Just because I did not go out and explore the world and pile up experiences away from home do I have a lesser sense of self?  I don't think so.  Some people are born to be adventurous and some of us are not.  I still piled up a lot of experiences, I just didn't go very far to do it.  Maybe they weren't as exciting or as challenging as if I traveled far from home but I am rooted and grounded right here where I am.  Do I have regrets?  No not really.  As I look back on my life there are a few things I think I would have liked to try.  I think I would have made a good librarian (a small town librarian that is).  Or maybe owned a bookstore.  I would have loved to travel more but have no desire to move or leave this beautiful place that I call home. 

Kat, I think was missing something and regreted not taking the chance on leaving home and exploring the world.  For her, she needs to do that.

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