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4:20 pm
August 26, 2012


Ariel

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Post edited 5:47 pm – August 26, 2012 by Ariel


Hi Ladies! Time got away from me this week. My family is packing in preparation for a cross-country move and my kids have started school. But despite the fact that this time of year is always crazy, I love it. Summer is nice, but Autumn is my favorite season by far. I love the cooler days (ok, so it's still in the 90's here but considering that it can get upward of 110 in these parts, 90 degrees is practically a cold front). I love the turning leaves. I love being able to wear jeans again! 

 

Something else I love? This book. Let's dive in:

 

1. Ilya tells Deirdre that, "Americans love to cheer the underdog, so we accept that as our rightful place in this competition and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts." Do you think his assessment is true? Why or why not? Sympathy? Hope? What makes us cheer for the least likely person to win? (A recent example would be the runner Oscar Pistorius in the Olympics. They called him "blade runner" because of his prosthetic legs. When I watched him race I wanted him to win so badly. He didn't. But I wanted him to. And I cheered him like crazy for the accomplishment of being there.) It makes me think that we love a good story. How about you? Why do we as a culture love the underdog?

 

2. Everyone else sees Deirdre as beautiful (Anthony, Ilya, Mitchell, Steve). So why do you think she doesn't see herself that way? Why is it so easy for a woman's self image to become distorted? To be tied to her size or her age?

 

3. Tag. It's a good thing he's only a figment of Claire's imagination because I actaully want to punch him in the face, or cuss, every time he shows up on the page. He can't seem to let Deirdre have one moment of joy, of love, of the spotlight without ruining it for her. Which makes me think that Tag is A.) profoundly insecure or B.) a true self-loving narcicist. (I'm leaning toward A, myself) But I'm really curious how he comes across to the rest of you. Do you think it's just a mega-case of sibling rivalry or is Tag truly incapable of considering others?

 

4. Deirdre turns to food for comfort. She eats when she's nervous or angry or hurt. This kind of self-soothing is visible to others (i.e. weight gain). However, you have the gymnast, Ashleyjanedobbs at the other extreme: someone who battles her fear with bulimia. On the outside she looks thin and perfect but on the inside she's just as wounded and insecure as Deirdre. Both women are battling fear. How important is it for Deirdre (and us, by extension) to name her fear and then to confront it? Will she ever have her own life without doing so? (I think we all know the answer to this but I'm interested to hear how this particular issue affects each of you. For example, I am afraid that I won't do a good job raising my boys. So my coping skill tends to be holding on a bit too tight. Being too controlling. I have to constantly remind myself to provide them opportunities to be independent of me, to make their own decisions and choices.)

 

5. Show of hands: who likes Steve? (*raises hand*) Good fit for Deirdre? Yes? No? Why?

 

I hope you all have a wonderful week! I'll post the next set of questions in a couple days so those who've finished the book can chat about the ending. Wink

 

Warmly,

Ariel

7:02 pm
August 26, 2012


Cindylouray

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Now I guess I will try to post here. I am sure confused, and this would just be a test.

7:29 pm
August 26, 2012


Cindylouray

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I think this may work better on my little NetBook.

I agree with Ilya that we tend to cheer the under dog. An example of this is that I am fiercely loyal to the Chicago Cubsright now. In a way, I think we are mixed. We may have a favorite who is not the under dog, but still at least a part of our heart does cheer the under dog. Some of Dierdre's messages that she received indicated this.

2. I think we get messages as little girls that say we are less, and if we had a weight problem and were made fun of because of it, we will carry that around for a long time. My mom once told me, "You know, you are a pig." And I live with it. It is really hard to get beyond those things. Her family loved her, but they had no idea where she was coming from. Tag was charismatic, she was quiet. She lived in his shadow and tended to see him as more than he was.

 

3. I think Tag was insecure. If he was honest with himself, he had some considerable charm, but in a way he didn't have the abilities of some of the rest of his family, particularly the sisters. He sort of began living into the notion that he needed them to take care of him so he could function, and they enabled it.

 

4. The weight gain is something that people loathe, and they think of thin as beautiful, so although it is external with Ashley, it is equally debilitating. And, of course, in this day there has been enough publicity of eating disorders that I picked up on this issue right away. We have to name our fear, and then we have to bull doze it. I have a fear of falling on a sidewalk and cutting my face again and then walking home in the state of messiness and fear, or even being hurt worse. I have to namje that fear; then I have to make myself go out and do it, and I have to keep on until the fear is gone. I have the eating for comfort issue, and I have battled some of those same self-talk issues that
Dierdre has. While we are working toward healing, we also have to find other means of soothing our insecurities.

 

5. I like Steve a lot. He's funny, he's kind, he met Dierdre under one of the worst possible situations (can you ikmagine?) but he liked her, even cared for her anyway. He was patient even when she ran. I think he is someone who can give he the support she needs to grow.

12:56 pm
August 27, 2012


teresasthoughtsfortoday

Evansville, Indiana

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I love your questions, Ariel, they are so deep and thought-provoking!! I sure hope you can post the last questions this week as I am heading out of the country on Thursday and have already finished the book. I'll probably miss out on doing the September read since I'll be gone for two weeks.

 

1. It is interesting about us Americans loving under-dogs, but I also consider us to be highly competitive and liking to win (sports, wars, the Olympics, etc.). I think the underdog thing is because we were underdogs to start with. We were a rag-tag bunch of people who took on the mighty power of Great Britain to win our freedom to have our own country. Also, we do love stories. I love stories of people overcoming. I love ordinary people who do extraordinary things. I think most people do because then just maybe, we too will do something special.

2.Society tells us as women that we have to be beautiful and do all kinds of things to become beautiful. I think Deirdre was lost in her family and so she didn't see herself as having much worth beyond her work for Tag. She also had a sister who got a lot of attention physically. I know how that feels because I have a younger sister that also got a lot of attention because of her looks. But I compensated with my smarts!

3.I see Tag as a self-lover. He reminds me of those guys that think they are God's gift to women when really they just love themselves. Claire has done a great job with him to cause us all to hate him so.

4.Funny, recently I saw a news item on how "curves" are in (think J Lo). So maybe society is changing a little. I do think we have to confront our fears to overcome them. Though I doubt I'll go up in the St. Louis arch to overcome my fear of heights! But, things like fear of success or fear of failure we do need to look at and work on so that we can do all that God desires for us to do with our lives.

5.I like Steve too (both hands up!). He sees her for who she truly is and really likes her. I think he is confident in himself so he doesn't need to have the "Tag" scenario in his life.

6:06 pm
August 27, 2012


Ariel

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First, I LOVE how we're all talking about these characters like they're real people! I think that must be a delusional syndrome that only avid readers have. Every once in a while I'll get spun up about a character in a book I'm reading and my husband will have to shake me a bit and say, "Ariel, she isn't real. That never happened." But he's only halfway right. Because when we read a book these things do really happen. In a way they happen to us because we feel what those characers feel.

Also, I think we need to say a few words in honor of Fred and Ginger. *sniff* I can't believe Tag killed them. Jerk. Can anyone thing of a good fish related chiasmus?

I'm so glad everyone likes Steve! He seems to be just the guy for Deirdre.

Cindy: I'm so glad you were able to join us! And you're absolutely right about how we need to bulldoze our fears. Or as Deirdre says, "get out of our own way."

Teresa: I'll be posting the questions for week four tomorrow just for you. Smile I'd hate for you to miss them. And don't worry about September. You can jump in and join us at any time.

7:55 pm
August 27, 2012


Cindylouray

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I can't think of a good fish chiasmus, but that was sad about Fred and Ginger. But Fred nd Ginger helped Dierdre to open up her heart to the possibility of love. In the end, this broke her heart, too, that she lost them, but somehow I think they inspired her to keep going. Is that just nuts?

6:09 am
August 29, 2012


Victory

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1. "Americans love to cheer the underdog" 

I think we all consider ourself the underdog in some ways. I agree with the other readers take on it also. I think that people want to see a regular person succeed, like one reader said "against all odds". It gives us the hope we are looking for that we too can rise about our circumstances or past and  change our lives.

 

2. I struggle with self image also. I think its how you were raised or how we were encouraged as children. I try to teach the inner value in each of us to my kids but the world is very smart in promoting things on the tv and magazines and schools. Even beautiful people on the outside are insecure. Its hard to move on until you can see your self worth or overcoming the fear that controls us.

3. Tag does seem very insecure. How could he not? He has 2 failed marriages. He may seem 'together' at his seminars but sometimes people are in this profession because they would rather focus on other people's problem rather than fix their own. I think he desires as much approval from his family as Deidre does.

4. I understand this all to well. I have been self soothing with food since i was little, yet until I reached my 30s when I got pregnant I kept my weight under control.  Bullemia help when I was a teenager. But when I began experiencing throat pain I had to stop. Then I became addicted to exercise and reading diet books. Notice I said 'reading' and not 'doing'.  In my mind I was 50lbs overwerigh because I wasnt 90lbs. I am 5'6 and I wanted to be 5'0 and look like Ashleyjanedobbs. NOW I actually am overweight and finding healthy was to overcome this is a puzzle. I also use my weight as a barrier to keep men from being atracted to me. One of my fears is that I will be rejected by people and ultimately be alone. I overcome this by trying new things and being myself. Its ok if not everyone likes me. Even this book club bring a little fear… At the end of the day we must love ourselves and we only need to please ourselves, because everyone where you go there you are. Learning self care has helped. With 5 kids I want to help everyone else. Put on your own oxygen mask first. 

5. I like Steve. They will have to date and see, but the fact that he wasnt trying to use Deirdre to get to Tag is a good sign. The fact that he waited all that time to talk to her  …Thats all I want to say because I read the rest of the book and I forget what happened when, so I dont want to spoil it.

 

This was my first book club. I have been coming to this site for over 6 months and everybook I read from her was extraordinary! Loved Violets of March and Far from here the best. Currently reading GUEST BOOKWink.  

8:39 am
August 29, 2012


cammih

Siloam Springs, AR

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I read the featured selections EVERY month and just have been so busy this Summer… Not on computer as much .. But, I really enjoyed this selection and thought I'd weigh in my opinions… a little late .. :) 

 

1) regarding the underdog:  Yes!  We all love to cheer on the underdog! I think we have HOPE for them!  We provide Faith and Confidence thru cheering them on and we feel better ourselves, too.  :)  And maybe a part of us wants that constant winner to finally lose .. :) 

2) Women have a bad self image most of the time bc we don't honestly notcie ourselves.  We're too busy trying to be someone else that we see on TV or around town.  We don't acess our own image and see that we're AWESOME just the way we are .. 

3) Ahhh.. TAG… I think he is totally FULL OF IT!  and Full of himself!  He is always trying so hard to say the right things to other people .. Maybe he's so busy coming up with baloney, he doesn't even really realize what the truth is anymore.. I don't think he really knows who he is or what he really wants people to know about him… Yet .. 

4) Self soothing .. I have a brother that has always used food to self soothe also .. and he now weighs over 300 lbs.. But it's a habit.. and a problem.  How do they overcome it?  I think a lot of it is he needs to think thru some things and realize what the issues are but he isn't able to.  My mom is VERY controlling and I think this has affected him greatly. 

5) Haven't really decided on Steve yet .. He hasn't done anything to make me hate him.  :) 

6:29 pm
August 30, 2012


Linda A.

Northwest, Wisconsin

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I have loved reading all the answers to the questions and guess I don't have much to add.    I agree that Tag is pretty full of himself.  And it's sad he always seems to be picking on his sister.  And I do like Steve.

6:27 am
August 31, 2012


Claire Cook

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Once again, truly fabulous questions, Ariel! And such heartfelt, insightful comments, everybody. I truly wish we were all gathered together around an actual, rather than a virtual table, chatting away!

In all nine of my novels, there are what I think of as a lightning rod characters. In Wallflower in Bloom, Tag is absolutely that character. I've received so much email about him, and it's run the gamut from Ariel's "I actually want to punch him in the face," Theresa's "we all hate him so much," and cammih's "totally FULL OF IT" to women who ask me if he's based on a real person and, if so, do I have his phone number! Reader response is such a fascinating thing to me, and I think we bring our whole lives with us to every book we read. My goal is always to leave some space for my readers in my books to do this, so I try not to tell them what to think about my characters, but to leave it up to them to form their own opinions.

I just loved all of your comments about underdogs, self-image and self-soothing, and I so wish I could come up with a final chiasmus for Fred and Ginger, but I am totally chiasmused out after writing Wallflower in Bloom. And right now I'm lost in revisions for my next novel and getting ready to teach a writing workshop for the Decatur Book Festival later today, so my mind is mush!

Thank you again, and have a great weekend, everybody!!

11:01 am
August 31, 2012


Beni

OH

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1. I think we like to cheer for the underdog because we all know there's greater things in wach one of us than we currently experience. When we see someone else achieve "the impossible" it gives us hope for our own big hairy dreams!

2. Whenever we use comparison as our gauge, we either come up short, or we get filled with pride.

3. Could be either A or B! In real life I find it interesting how sibling can be raised by the same parents in the same house & each kid responds totally different to the environment.

4. Life! Learning, growing, gaining insight, wanting inner healing, not wanting it….reminds me of the Emancipation Proclamation…freedom was provided but some refused it because while slavery had its misery, there was a certain comfort in it. Our own dysfunction seems quite normal! And with it comes the avoidance of personal responsibility or accountability.

5. I like Steve! I think he could be very good for her. Now to finish the book and see what happens!

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